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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.03.11 03:04:00 -
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Some people just hate amarr and liked the old status quo. Well maybe its just time for adapt and die or do what we've been told a 1000 times: train another race?
No better pretend to not care at all but breath fire and brimstone in every possible thread. 
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.03.11 16:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Lord WarATron
Look. I will make this simple for you.
Play Real eve and stop attending Theory classes. I hear the Rokh has obsoleted every other sniper accoring to your theory.
And I doubt anyone is going to be convinced that a 400 sig megapulse gun at 120km can out track a Hac sniper shooting at also the same range. Also add in lock time, mobility etc. Come back once you have train up Large Pulse Spec, since till then, you havent a clue what you are talking about tracking. Also come back after you win a fleet fight vs a competent opponent with "100-120km snipers".
^^ This. Apoc with 125km pulses is a pure freak show. Its not useful out of very specific circumstances that will most likely never ocurr. And dude that 220km apoc the guy is quoting didn't have an ONEIROS next to it, no?
In small gang pvp such a ship is going to die in seconds. Really i'd be thankful if my enemy brings those instead of trimarked geddons or abaddons only my enemies are competent enough to avoid such a failure.
As a sniper it lacks range to begin with. So what are we actually talking about here? First its the apoc with beams thats omgwtfoverpowered and now with pulses. You guys will never be content unless it gets its old bonuses back. Because unlike what people tend to say competition is bad for business, right?
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.03.11 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
600-700 DPS at 100km is *NOT* a freakshow and nor is it useless - you just aren't applying the correct situational template. The reason that the Rokh hasn't wtfpwnd all other snipers is because there is no default 250km warp in point. There is a 100km warp in point.
I told you yesterday that a scorch apoc does not do 600-700 dps. So how about you quote correct numbers to begin with?
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Also, its relatively trivial to get a 140km optimal out of the 1.1 Apoc on EFT...
I told you yesterday that i was on test and tried it out. 3 x tc 2 + optimal script, 3 x te 2 and 3 x optimal rig gave me 125km optimal. I have amarr battleship 5 but only sharpshooter 4. Give me your magical "trivial" (trivial != 9 slots + heavy pg penalty btw) 140km fit and i am gonna test it.
What eft says on this matter doesn't mean a whole lot. So unless you have more to offer or at least a fitting that i could check myself on the test server please stop running around quoting the wrong numbers out of the wrong context (-> think oneiros on that guys 220)
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.03.11 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Triviality is a measure of difficulty.
I think from what i wrote it was obvious that i understand the meaning of the word. Why else would i mention the use of 9 slots and a pg penalty in that context?
Originally by: Liang Nuren
3-4 HS, 3 TE's, and 3 optimal rigs is plenty trivial. Also, don't forget hardwirings... because people do use them. Alot.
4 hs still don't give 700dps on a scorch apoc. Not gonna happen. I will check about hardwirings but maybe thats another 5% optimal on top. Your numbers will still be incorrect then. And 3 rigs, 6 module slots, heavy pg penalty, 5% rof imp, 5% dmg imp + paishan thingie isnt trivial. Its top notch, maxed to the last. And even given my mediocre english i think most people would see it the same way.
And even then i doubt your numbers are true as you still fail to give me a detailed fitting to test. I'll blame the eve-o forum for that as i know they're bugged.
For you those things that aren't trvial are the ones that are impossible? I've seen you skew facts now on two occasions. I thought you were just exaggerating to make a point. But now i see whats your real intent. You're like these guys quoting vaga dps with hail but for amarr.
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I started the conversation with this. Thanks for repeating me. :)
You still quoted those wrong eft numbers in 2 threads. So i just wanted to reinforce that statement for the greater good.
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.03.11 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Scout McAlt
Edited by: Scout McAlt on 11/03/2008 17:48:00
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Lowsec gangs are nice because all those nano ships that you fear do not operate on gates.
-Liang
Gates have 150km sentry range, can the apoc tank this in a 120km sniper setup?
With logistic support maybe. You would use an oneiros for tracking links, throw in some remote sensor boosters with targeting range scripts and it should be relatively easy. That is if you have a group of amarr specced pilots and 2 oneiros guys.
However this is just display of good teamwork. I mean you will still need tacklers at the gate for the bigger stuff. As for sniping small ships well you could do that way out of sentry range anyway for like years. Nobody complained and as a mostly lowsec player i can assure you this tactic is pretty dead since wtz. Havent seen a gate sniper for like yeah well like since wtz. 
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